Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Daughter's 21st Birthday Dinner

We%26#39;re staying in down town Scottsdale Area with family but can travel wherever in the Valley. It%26#39;s my daughters 21st birthday the end of the month. Any place fun to take her (with 18 year old sibling)? She wants someplace fun. Likes Olive and Ivy but we were looking for something more fun or lively for young adults!

Thanks

Daughter's 21st Birthday Dinner

The hip trendy young crowd (I used to be in that!) loves Saporro on Scottsdale Rd....We tend to get there early for happy hour prices on sushi, but they have a full regular menu and the tables with the personal chefs for cooking shows. That might be a fun treat. Place is always lively and you will need reservations for anything after 5:30.

Daughter's 21st Birthday Dinner

Also, Kona Grill %26amp; Z Tejas (both in Fashion Square)...


I second Saporro, if she likes Sushi. Very trendy hip crowd. Gets VERY crowded Fri nights for happy hour. It%26#39;s standing room only by 5.

Barcelona in N. Scottsdale is very popular too. Restraunt and nightclub all in one and there is a sushi lounge right next door.


Good one nocturnal...I just read an article about the new sushi place there and look forward to trying it. Barcelona is also good for their atmosphere.


Barcelona draws an older crowd, so I think the others would be more fun for 18-20 yr olds...

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  • sedona Summit?????

    We have a package deal of staying in the sedona summit for 5 nights and 6 days for 427.00....is that a good deal????



    sedona Summit?????


    Excellent



    sedona Summit?????


    how did you get this great deal? was it for a studio or 1 or 2 bedroom?




    prayerworks,





    This is an excellent deal.





    Make sure you talk to the folks at Pink Jeep about tours. They will pick you up on site.





    Be aware that the Sedona Summit is part of Diamond Resorts which is a time share company. It is entirely likely that you will need to attend their sales meeting. Before you go, look up the resort on Redweeks.com and other time share resale sites and judge in advance what the value of the packages really are. It is important that you understand the financial dynamics of the time share ';points'; system. This can be a good deal if you are in a position to take advantge of it. We like the time share experience and we bought in. It is not for everyone. Be an informed consumer and judge for yourself.





    OBTW I keep meaning to post a generally favorable review of the property. I will get around to it.





    CTR

    How far is the Grand Canyon & Sedona

    We are going to Cave Creek this week we were hoping to watch our team in the Super Bowl but not this year! Anyway so now our plans are shifted to sight seeing we would like to go to the Grand Canyon and Sedona if its not too far for a day trip, if you have any othe rsuggestions we are open to them also, we have never been to Arizona.



    Thank you



    Sharon



    craftysmith2@hotmail.com



    How far is the Grand Canyon %26amp; Sedona


    Sedona is an easy day trip from Cave Creek....about an hour-90 minutes depending on traffic and weather. Grand Canyon is about twice that and that travel time is affected by snow too (like this week).



    How far is the Grand Canyon %26amp; Sedona


    Really snow??? I guess I%26#39;m thinking that Az is pretty good by now is this something that is common at this time? Anything else I should know?





    Thank you



    Sharon



    craftysmith2@hotmail.com




    People don%26#39;t realize that we have some high elevation places in AZ. While Phoenix is around 1000 ft elevation, Sedona is about 4500 ft, and Flagstaff is between 6500 and 7000 ft. Grand Canyon is similar I think. That is why some parts of AZ can get snow in the winter. I remember hearing once or twice over the years on the news that there was even a bit of snow falling in Cave Creek. Anyway, nice days are more the norm.





    You might try to do an overnight in northern AZ. While you may not be able to get reservations inside GC Nat%26#39;l Park, the town of Tusayan is just outside the Grand Canyon and has several hotels. Or stay in Sedona for 2 nights and do a day trip to GC. Of course, all of AZ might be busy during Super Bowl time. Other visitors will no doubt do some sightseeing before and after the Super Bowl.





    Have fun!


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  • Place to get Suns stuff

    Besides the US Airways Center team store, are there any stores or shops in Phoenix that sell cool Suns merchandise like bobbleheads or other collectibles? I%26#39;m a huge fan and would like to find as much cool stuff as possible while I%26#39;m there.



    Place to get Suns stuff


    Some of the malls have Team Stores (Arrowhead, Scottsdale Fashion...some others) and most of the sporting good stores will also carry those items. Lastly, you can always go on line.





    http://store.shopsuns.com/



    Place to get Suns stuff


    Malls will have a small selection. I suggest hitting the NBA store online and pick SUNS for the team gear. Also Dillards will have a small section but the US Airways Center will have the most to choose from.





    %26lt;---- suns fan too :)

    Driving from Arizona to Texas

    I am thinking about driving from Phoenix, AZ till Texas, via New Mexico.



    What cities/plces do you recommend me to visit?



    I would like to see some indians, some rodeos etc



    I have 8 to 10 days to make this trip. Is it enough?



    Tks for any help!



    Driving from Arizona to Texas


    What are you interested in doing and seeing? Get a map and start looking at places. You can see Native American people all over just doing normal everyday things like us. Now if you are looking at seeing some ruins or museums or attending a powwow (thats open to the public) thats another story.





    What time of the year and how many people do you have?? What type of budget ect..... More info is greatly needed.



    Driving from Arizona to Texas


    From Phoenix to Texas through NM... I would head east on I40 from Flagstaff AZ to Albuquerque. Along the way you can see Petrified Forest Nat Park, Gallup NM, Zuni Pueblo, El Morro Nat Mon, El Malpais Nat Mon, Acoma Pueblo. Once in Albuquerque you can visit the Pueblo Cultural Center as well as Petroglyph Nat Mon.




    If you are planning to go into some of the more rural areas, like the Navajo or Hopi Reservations, expect some bad roads. Have the car rental people show you what you need to change a tire.




    Hi



    There also are a lot of paved roads through Navajo and Hopi land, no worries.



    Instead of taking the Interstates through Flagstaff you could take the scenic road via Apache Trail (partly unpaved but driveable with a normal car) to Lake Roosevelt, to Globe and via Salt River Canyon to Show Low. See Petrified Forest NP and Painted desert overlook and continue the way CasaAzul described. It will be a detour but have you ever been to Sedona and Grand Canyon NP? If not, these should be you first concerns. And where in Texas are you going to? For Native American culture maybe vist great museums like Heard Museum in Phoenix, and Museum of Northern Az in Flagstaff.



    Tet




    Thank you all for the hints.



    I will be back in Brazil in Mid Apr.



    So, I will start planning this trip carefully. I shall get in touch with you.



    Thank you so much!

    Block Party

    We%26#39;re going to be in town Super Bowl weekend and were thinking of going to the ';block party'; at Craftsman Court. Looks like it%26#39;s $40 just to get in. Is this any good or would there be a better area to go on Saturday night? We%26#39;re not into the club scene, looking for a more old school bar scene. Thanks.

    Block Party

    This is a link to all superbowl party events:

    azcentral.com/ent/calendar/SearchResults.php鈥?/a>

    (if it doesn%26#39;t come up go to azcentral.com and on the right corner there is a list of all superbowl events)

    Block Party

    Super Bowl weekend is going to be hard getting into anything...there are a million parties at all the clubs at all different price levels...if you want old school bar (planned to seem like that), try Mickey%26#39;s Hangover...it%26#39;s in the downtown scene, but is more of a bar, not such a scene. If you want really old school (been around forever, low-key, lots of locals) down the street from all the clubs is the Coach House, a way funky place that%26#39;s been around forever..I think it opens at like 5 in the morning! It%26#39;s an institution...on Indian School Rd between Scottsdale Rd %26amp; 68th street. Also, TT Roadhouse, another old school bar. It%26#39;s got a great jukebox, if you like punk, but all types of people go there. It%26#39;s north down 68th Street around Thomas Rd.


    Thanks for the info!

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  • grayhawk

    We are thinking of staying at grayhawk in a condo for a couple of months and will be travelling around to california and some other places.If there is any thing you can tell us about grayhawk for a holiday, we would like to hear your views and also on Arizona and Scottsdale.



    grayhawk


    Graywawk is a lovely planned community in north Scottsdale. It%26#39;s about 2 miles north of Loop 101 which will give you easy access to the freeway system. You can find shopping and dining at Desert Ridge Marketplace due west, Kierland Commons south on Scottsdale Rd., the lovely Carefree/Cave Creek area is north about 10 minutes, and Market Street and DC Ranch is just a few minutes east. If you like to golf you%26#39;ll enjoy Raptor and Talon. Don%26#39;t forget to head to Old Town Scottsdale while here





    It%26#39;s a nice, quiet, safe neighborhood (I taught there a few years ago). There are major food shops nearby and local restaurants to enjoy. Easy day trip to Sedona from there (go the back roads). I think you%26#39;ll enjoy it.

    booked and paid a deposit with home owner but have not heard

    hello





    long subject header I know!





    Has anyone booked a rental home via a company called phoenixvacationrentalhomes.com. I had a very pleasant email exchange with the owner and paid a $500 deposit via paypal. I have sent her a few emails since and not heard anything!





    Anyone had a similar experience?





    thanks



    Clare



    booked and paid a deposit with home owner but have not heard


    If you don%26#39;t hear anything, let me know more information and I can perhaps help you out. I am a former police officer/current private investigator, and my wife is an attorney.



    booked and paid a deposit with home owner but have not heard


    I would suggest investing in a phone call to the owner if you haven%26#39;t heard from them.

    Kachina or Bright Angel?

    I will be travelling to GCNP for the first time in the next few weeks with two other senior citizens. After reading the posts here, we%26#39;ve decided to stay within GCNP. We are deciding between Kachina (2 Queens w/view) or Bright Angel Rim Cabin (1 Queen bed w/fireplace + a rollaway bed). We are concerned the rollaway may hurt our back, but if Bright Angel is a better choice, we would take turns and put up with it. Any feedback or which is better Kachina or Bright Angel?



    Kachina or Bright Angel?


    I would go with Kachina, nice rooms, view and real beds. I would not wish a rollaway bed on my worst enemy!!



    Kachina or Bright Angel?


    We had a room at Kachina Lodge with a view. Best is second floor. Fine room with fridge and safe and very comfortable, nicely decorated and all. It looks like an old schoolbuilding but don%26#39;t let that stop you. It%26#39;s right next to El Tovar and you also have to check in at ET. Beds in Kachina are excellent.



    Tet




    Forgot to say: There%26#39;s no elevator at Kachina so maybe better stay at the ground floor. Easier with the luggage and also great views.




    Thank you all for your feedback. We will go with Kachina. We are very excited about the trip!! Thank you again.


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  • Golf by Airport

    Hi, I will be in Phoenix in 2 weeks and have some time to kill so I was wondering if there are any golf courses close to the aiport? I would prefer municipal ones but anything will do





    Thanks



    Golf by Airport


    The Karsten course at ASU in Tempe comes to mind.



    Golf by Airport


    I don%26#39;t know how %26#39;close%26#39; you mean by close, but Encanto is not far(city course that books quickly for weekends!). Also, Legacy and The Raven are south of the airport. Rolling Hills is in Tempe - executive course that I%26#39;ve not played.




    The Phantom Horse golf course at Arizona Grand Resort is about 20 minutes from the airport. Good course, not great.

    Motorcycle routes

    We plan to ride our Harley%26#39;s from Texas to Flagstaff the first week of September and plan to take several day trips to ride the parks and Route 66 while there. Does anyone have any favorite routes or restaurants to suggest? TIA.

    Motorcycle routes

    I highly recommend driving through Wupatki/Sunset crater area give several hours for that. There%26#39;s a nice back route from Williams to Prescott/Jerome area. Called Perkinsville road. Try Beaver St Brewery in Flagstaff as well as Charlies on Leroux st you can eat outside at Charlies if weather is nice. In Williams check out Old Smokies for Breakfast/lunch and Pine Country for all and awesome pies.

    I%26#39;d also check

    www.arizonahighways.com

    and do a search on their website.

    Also

    www.trails.com

    is good you can get a 14 day free trial. They list all kinds of routes and side trips and hiking.

    Also check out http://www.historic66.com/ its dedicated to RT 66.

    www.azcentral.com

    will have some suff twards the bottom of the page for drives ect....

    Hope thats enough to get you started.

    There%26#39;s also a Harley shop in Bellemont which is 10 minutes from Flagstaff going West on I-40 and a shop in Prescott. The one in Bellemont is a grill and mechanic shop as well.

    Motorcycle routes

    Best remaining stretches are from Seligman to Kingman, Sitgreaves pass to Oatman and to Topock and into California along the abc hamlets like Goffs, Essex, Cadiz and Amboy to Barstow. But it%26#39;s not on your route I%26#39;m afraid.

    Tet


    The Perkinsville road is unpaved, and lots of gravel.

    Wouldn%26#39;t recommend for a Harley.

    Would suggest coming up from Truth or Consequences on the road to Silver City, then north either on the AZ or NM side. Az side is the old 666, and is 25 mph on curvy roads for 120 miles.! Amazing views and drive.

    Lots of hotsprings around Silver City too.

    The Loop from Flag, Ash Fork,down towards Prescott, and over the mountain thru our fair town of Jerome. Then back up through Sedona%26#39;s Oak Creek Canyon on 89a is a must drive.

    If you head out to do Painted Desert/Petrified Forest, make sure you stop by the LaPosada in Winslow. Is an old Harvey House train station, and has the best Sangria, (and maybe food) in northern AZ. Cool old grounds, and most of the landscaping is finished on the route 66 side. Thats the backdoor, since this was setup as a train waypoint.

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  • Family fun in Vegas? Advice please

    We will be staying off the strip for one night %26amp; day on our way to the grand canyon. Does anyone know of a couple of things to do with the kids while we are there? Maybe a good restaurant or some shooping that might be fun for them? Also any advice on things to do while visiting the grand canyon. Is bedrock city still around?



    Family fun in Vegas? Advice please


    Maybe also put this question on the Las Vegas forum.



    Yes, Bedrock City is still around in Valle. We stood in front of last novenber but didnot visit.



    Also maybe visit the Imax theater in Tusayan and Seligman along I40. But the real attraction is GCNP of course.



    Tet



    Family fun in Vegas? Advice please


    There are tons of posts on the Vegas forum about stuff to do with kids. Just search the forum section or ask specific questions if you have any.




    Here is a website that will give you lots of ideas:



    howtodothings.com/travel/how-to-see-more-of-…



    Also, there is the Atomic Testing Museum, which is on our list of things to see in LV this spring:



    www.atomictestingmuseum.com




    Kids in Vegas..





    There is a huge arcade on the strip, right next to the MGM Grand. Also nearby is a M%26amp;M candy store, Coca Cola store and a few other places.





    Also in Excalibur is a fun arcade. Visit MGM Grand for the lions and Rainforest Cafe. Great shopping and fun to visit. Mandalay Bay has shark aquarium etc.





    We had a great meal at Venetian at Mario Batali (food network) restaurant.





    NYNY has a roller coaster and we rode the monorail between MGM and places further north.





    The Las Vegas Hilton has a Star Trek area, and is on the monorail.




    we have been to vegas 6 times with 2 boys aged 8 and 10 first time and 16 and 18 last time - they loved it every time





    all the big hotels hace loads for kids to see and do



    and beside mgm there is a great area with a huge climbing wall and an arcade with all the games under the sun ( ithink 10 - midnight was all you can play for 15 dollars or something similar)







    just strolling from one hotel to another and taking in the different views is great try and fit in





    mandalay\luxor\exxcalibur\new york and mgm





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    Though you will headed to the Grand Canyon, I highly recommend Valley of Fire State Park, about one hour east of Las Vegas. You and your kids can climb on all the rocks, take some very easy hiking trails, visit the visitor center, then head over, via the south entrance, to Hoover Dam.




    Stop by the Grand Canyon Caverns if you are going to the South Rim, is great with kids.

    Pregnant in Sedona - Activity Suggestions

    We%26#39;re traveling to Sedona in Apr, at which point I%26#39;ll be about 26 weeks pregnant. We%26#39;re active/adventure type people, but will be somewhat limited on this trip. We can%26#39;t do the jeep tours, heli/bi-plane, or any intensive hiking. We definitely want to get out and see some of the beautiful landscape of Sedona. Any suggestions for some ';light'; activities??



    Pregnant in Sedona - Activity Suggestions


    If this is your first visit to Sedona, you might consider the Trolley Tour. See this website: www.sedonatrolley.com





    Go see Montezuma%26#39;s Castle and Well and Tuzigoot, all Indian Ruins in neighboring towns, easy access.





    There are plenty of easy trails here (as well as more difficult), so you will be able to do some hiking. Just visit the Official Chamber of Commerce Visitor Center when you get here and they can give you that info.





    You might want to take the Verde Canyon Railroad. See this website: www.verdecanyonrr.com





    Go see the Chapel of the Holy Cross (very popular for beautiful architecture and location). Though there is a long fairly steep ramp to walk up to it, I think they keep a wheelchair at the bottom for anyone%26#39;s use.





    You can see plenty of scenery just driving around Sedona yourself. It%26#39;s all around you!





    You%26#39;ll find particularly great, easy access, panoramic scenery viewing from the Chapel, Airport Mesa (up Airport Road), and along Upper Red Rock Loop Rd (several pullouts).



    Pregnant in Sedona - Activity Suggestions


    tim30,





    In addition to the suggestions above, all of which are excellent, call the folks at Pink Jeep Tours. Many of their tours are in sixteen passenger buses and are quite gentle. They will know which ones are safe for you.





    CTR




    Thank you!!




    Go o sedonaselfdriviing tour.com and order a cd driving tour




    Make sure to get some reservations for Palatki when you are buying your Red Rock Pass. Is a great little ruin, and has a spectacular petroglyph panel.





    yes, you have to pay to park and hike here (Grrrrr).





    You should also do the first part of the West Fork in Oak Creek along 89a. The apple orchard will be blooming, and there is a bridge across the creek there.



    The interior part of that hike can get strenuous, but the start is just gorgeous. and you can send hubby up to get photos :) Take water shoes like Keens or Tevas.





    You are going to like walking through Jerome too.

    safety hiking alone?

    I am planning a trip to Sedona and am wondering if there have been any safety issues for women hiking/walking around the trails alone during the day? I would obviously try to stay around people, but you never know.... thanks



    safety hiking alone?


    There have never been any issues that I%26#39;m aware of regarding the safety of a single woman hiker around here.



    However, it is always risky to go hiking alone for other reasons. Just last month we lost one of our communty%26#39;s leaders in a hiking accident. And he was hiking with a group. But one missed step resulted in a fatal fall. Had he been hiking on his own, the search might still be going on. He fell almost 100 feet.



    Obviously most of our trails are very safe, but when you%26#39;re out in the forest, you need to take every precaution. Most of the trails have sign in boxes at the trailheads where you can sign in, note the time and day that you%26#39;re hiking and at least have a record posted. And you should always let someone know where you plan to hike whenever you go out. Even if it%26#39;s a call to your friends back home.



    Use common sense and you should be OK. There haven%26#39;t been any other concerns around here.



    safety hiking alone?


    Yikes! I am trying to be brave going by myself and here you are telling me about a fatal fall! I guess I will need to do more research on the trails to find out the difficulty, etc. I am most interesting in just viewing the rock formations and seeing that beautiful scenery for myself, not doing any technical climbing or hiking, but I guess accidents can happen. Thanks for the good advice.




    Sorry. I didn%26#39;t mean to scare you. But safety is always the most important concern. Most of the trails around Sedona will afford you the scenery and beauty that you%26#39;re looking for, without putting you in danger. But do be careful. Have a great vacation!




    Please consider what happened to a woman hiking



    alone with her dog on a Georgia mountain trail this



    past week. There were many others on the trail but



    she was kidnapped and murdered. It is never safe



    to hike alone.




    Thanks everyone for the cautions. We were just talking at work today (after I announced I was going to Sedona alone) about the woman who was murdered hiking alone. It does give me something to think about especially since I%26#39;m a Risk Manager!! I will try to find a travel buddy before I arrive in May, now that I have been sufficiently warned. Thanks everyone.




    Wait a minute, the person who died from a 100 foot fall was not on a ';sanctioned'; trail. The group was hiking off established trails which is dangerous. As long as you stay on marked trails you should not have any problems hiking.





    If you stay on the popular trails there are enough other hikers that you should not have a problem.





    Boyton Canyon



    Bell Rock Pathway



    Courthouse Butte



    Little Horse



    Jordan





    Are all very well traveled trails by locals and visitors that you would enjoy with very little chance of a problem.





    Have fun!




    Well, that was really what I was hoping to hear was as long as I stayed on some more populated trails that I should be ok. I would obviously like to have some company, but there seems to always be the money, time, dissimilar interests pitfalls to run into, so I thought I would strike out on my own for a change and Sedona has always been high on my list.




    You can do it. Stick to those trails that MTB mentioned. They%26#39;ll give you plenty to see without putting you in any danger.




    We met lots more people hiking West Fork of Oak Creek than we did going around Courthouse Butte, and we missed the trail markers and got off the main trail on the north side of the Butte! But as a 50 something female hiker, I would feel comfortable on a popular trail by myself.




    I am in the hospitality business and we have never had a problem with guests hiking on their own, stay on the trails and take plenty of water to drink.



    I am a older wise female and hike on my own all the time.

    10 days in Arizona

    My husband and I are flying into Las Vegas and staying one night then driving to Hoover Dam and spending the night in Kingman. Then on to the Grand Canyon, staying at the El Tovar for 2 nights. We will have 5 more nights to spend in Arizona. We will be flying out of Tucson. We want to visit Phoenix. Any suggestions as to where to stay. I don%26#39;t care about staying at a Resort. Just a nice clean hotel in a good area. We like to shop, eat and see nature. Thanks for any suggestions.



    10 days in Arizona


    You don%26#39;t say when you will be in AZ, but here are some places that we really like and have stayed at more than once.





    Sedona --Cozy Cactus Bed and Breakfast www.cozycactus.com (great hosts, views of Bell Rock)





    Phoenix - the Windmill Suites at Surprise--this is about 20-30 minutes west of town, but the hotel and rooms are really nice and there are lots of malls and shopping centers nearby. www.windmillinns.com





    Tucson - Hacienda del Desierto Bed and Breakfast www.tucson-bed-breakfast.com (wonderful place about 10 miles south of downtown--quiet, beautifully landscaped and decorated, nature trail, lots of birds and other animals (including javelinas)


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  • Rental Car and Unpaved Roads Question

    Hi,

    I%26#39;ve read conflicting info on driving rental cars on unpaved roads. On the one hand, I%26#39;ve read that ';offroad'; driving can nullify a rental contract, and I%26#39;ve also read that someone ended up having to pay completely for a rental car that crashed on an unpaved road. On the other hand, I%26#39;ve read that one can drive on an unpaved road as long is it an officially-maintained road?

    Does anyone know what the typical rules are in terms of unpaved roads?

    If we rent a Jeep vs. a regular car, will we be allowed to drive it on unpaved/access roads? We don%26#39;t want to go offroad into the desert or anything, but I know that a lot of places are only accessible by unpaved roads, or even private property with unpaved driveways etc. . . and I%26#39;ve read about some scenic routes that are unpaved.

    Also, we will be visiting the first week of May and are ideally thinking of renting a Jeep Wrangler so we can drive with the top down and breathe in the fresh air. Is the weather at that time conducive to this? I know the weather varies a lot across the state. We will be flying in to Phoenix and then driving to the Grand Canyon area for a couple days then make our way around Flagstaff or that region for a few days and then back to Sedona over the next few days then flying out from Pheonix.

    Oh and one more question -- can Jeep Wranglers be rented from pretty much any national rental car company? I%26#39;ve tried Orbitz but the Jeeps don%26#39;t seem to come up easily on their system, so I was thinking of calling an office direct in Phoenix, but I%26#39;d like to make as few phone calls as possible. :)

    Thanks for any help you can provide!

    Rental Car and Unpaved Roads Question

    Yes driving on unpaved road will get you into trouble with your car rental company. Unless you sign some kind of waver or something. The best to do is call around and talk to the different agencies.

    May can still be cold or hot. You just never know.

    See if the companies have email addresses and try those first so you don%26#39;t have to call.

    Rental Car and Unpaved Roads Question

    Agree with DragonFlyLady...unless you get a special agreement, driving off of blacktop onto dirt roads will nullify your contract, and you could get an extra fine. Some rental agencies are installing GPS devices in their vehicles, so they would know you did so. However, depending when/where/how, you could probably still get away with it.

    For most of the larger rental agencies you reserve a vehicle by class...such as compact, midsize, full size, etc...and there%26#39;s a class that would include Jeep Wranglers (I think small SUV, depending on the agency). However, if you definitely want a Jeep Wrangler and nothing else, contact a few agencies directly (by phone), both national and local, and price it out that way. When you call you could ask about the off-blacktop thing also.

    From past experience, in the Phoenix area we usually have highs of about 100 in early May, but that doesn%26#39;t mean it will happen this year. Keep in mind that whatever it is in Phoenix, you can usually subtract 30F for about what the temp will be in Flagstaff.

    I think it is a great idea to drive the 89A from Flag to Sedona (via Oak Creek Canyon), and if you have time, I%26#39;d recommend continuing down to Jerome, and Prescott.


    The unpaved scenic route you%26#39;re thinking of is probably Apache Trail, which is a state highway. There are two such highways in the state (the other is 288 north of Lake Roosevelt), where the state maintains the roadway but it%26#39;s unsealed. Whether or not you can drive a rental car on them and not violate the contract seems to be up for argument, or at least there%26#39;s confusion on this forum.

    You should just contact whoever you want to rent from and ask specifically about the Apache Trail. I%26#39;m sure the rules are different for Jeeps though.


    Yes, ';up for argument'; That%26#39;s right.

    Prohibited use of the car:

    ';....use off paved roads or on roads which are not regularly maintained....

    But is the Apache trail an unpaved road? No, just part of it. How about Moki Dugway? Also just a part of ut261 is unpaved and it%26#39;s a through road. And many people are driving to Grand Canyon West and 14 miles is unpaved...Not a through road and without a roadnumber.

    We hired a Suv last year. No exceptions are made for Suv 2wd or 4wd in the standard contract.

    Yes, it%26#39;s confusing. The deskclerk at the Hertzcounter could not (or would not) answer my question about driving a Suv on dirt roads.


    The bottom line is, if you damage your rental vehicle, expect to be held accountable.


    I worked for a rental car company while I lived in Phoenix a few years ago. Basically if you%26#39;re driving across a gravel parking lot and damage the car, you%26#39;re going to be held responsible for the damage because you%26#39;re on an un-paved surface. I think in the Phoenix area, all of the companies are pretty much sticklers for this rule. Otherwise, you have yo-yos trying to drive their Chevy Malibu down a dirt trail somewhere. I%26#39;m in no means trying to imply that you%26#39;re an irresponsible driver. However, trust me, I%26#39;ve seen and heard it all in my rental car days! You might be able to find someone who has some kind of waiver for this. But I would read it with a fine tooth comb for sure. Perhaps do a local search for a rental car company. I know there are some places in the area that rent specialty vehicles. Sorry, can%26#39;t think of any of them off the top of my head.

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  • Feb visit few more questions

    ok, thanks for the info good stuff. A couple more questions:





    1. I plan to rent a car from Phx airport, should I do that now? or wait until I get to the airport in phx?





    2. Should I make reservations for the pink jeep tour now or wait until I arrive?





    3. We want to eat dinner at a nice rest. not on valentines day too busy. Which is better?





    A. L%26#39;aubergr



    or



    B. Yavapai







    Thanks for your thoughts!!!



    Feb visit few more questions


    1. yes do that now. you just never know





    2.yes do that now. Some times the good times are taken. You can always cancel in advance if you have to.





    3. can%26#39;t help ya.





    www.visitsedona.com





    I am one of those who highly believes in making reservations and not leaving for chances.



    Feb visit few more questions


    L%26#39;auberge or Dahl and Deluca




    I agree with dragonflylady%26#39;s answers for 1 and 2.





    Regarding restaurants, try looking at the restaurant reviews on this forum.




    The beauty of the Yavapai room is the views which you sill get none of unless you go to dinner right when they open.





    I would suggest Shugrues which is the most popular among locals and fantastic views. RedRox knows about Barking Frog which is a little more trendy but no view.





    Amara Resort is great too for the find cusine and views.





    Dahl and Delucca is always good as well, no views but it is a very intimate and happening place.





    None of the Jeep companies are very busy right now. The Superbowl has raised airline tickets to above $1,000. So January here here has been very slow. February is picking up though but not much.

    Sedona 2-23-08 to 3-2-08

    Hi,



    Just wondering what we must see and do while we are in sedona? We know we want to make a drive to the Grand Canyon on one of the days and maybe Bryce/Zion UT if we have time....is that possible? What will the weather be like at these destinations? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



    Sedona 2-23-08 to 3-2-08


    Must sees in Sedona (in no particular order):



    View from Airport Mesa



    Views along Upper Red Rock Loop Road



    Chapel of the Holy Cross



    Oak Creek Canyon



    Hiking anywhere



    Pink Jeep Broken Arrow Tour (very popular on this forum...I%26#39;ve never been on one)





    Search ';must see'; on this forum.





    There are also great art galleries, Indian Ruins, good restaurants, mountain biking, hot air ballooning, helicopter rides, etc.





    Check out the website www.visitsedona.com and scroll down and click on ';102 things to do in Sedona';.





    Grand Canyon is only 2 hours away. Definitely go there. Bryce and Zion are a bit too far for a day trip.....unless you want to spend 10-12 hours (total up and back) on asphalt just to do a drive by. Do you have to stay all your nights in Sedona? Why not book a night or two near Bryce/Zion?





    Weather can still be a bit cool in all these areas. Can be bright and sunny but still a little cool during the day. But can also be just perfect temp. Probably still cold at night. Dress in layers. Bring a jacket, not just a windbreaker. Of course, coming from Michigan, cold is relative. Still a possibility of snow in these parts......but again, relative to Michigan......



    Sedona 2-23-08 to 3-2-08


    You easily can spend 8 days in and around Sedona.



    Visit places like Tuzigoot NM, Jerome, Prescott, Campe Verde and Montezuma Castle and Well, Flagstaff, with its great Museum of Northern Arizona and nice downtown area, Walnut Canyon NM (the descend temporarily is closed after rockslides), Sunset Crater Volcano NM, Wupatki NM and Cameron Tradingpost. If you can stay at least one night near the rim at GCNP. Gives you more time to explore and see sunset/sunrise. Also a visit to Rock Slide SP just north of Sedona on beautiful 89A is recommended. Visiting Zion and Bryce will mean you%26#39;re on the road 2 days. Maybe visit these great places and add Monument Valley, Page and more places then.



    Have a great trip.



    Tet




    The petrified Forest can be seen in a day trip from Sedona as well. (Spending 8-10 hours total).




    Bryce and Zion are just too far for a day trip. Save it for a loop with the Grand Canyon north rim, Page and Moab trip next time. You will want to come back.





    Would suggest to do one day out to Painted Desert (Petrified Forest if you want to hike)and up to Canyon de Chelly. Stop at the La Posada (in Winslow) on the way back for a sangria, if not a dinner. A great old property.




    You will also find your activities/viewing limited in the Bryce/Zion area due to snow and other types of inclimate weather. The Grand Canyon is the farthest North I would go.

    Help With Planning

    My wife and I are planning a trip to Arizona in mid to late April. We are both in our mid 50%26#39;s and enjoy relaxing, shopping, and sightseeing. We%26#39;re especially interested in experiencing the beauty of the soutwest. We%26#39;re not big hikers but short ones are within our level of comfort. Having never been there before we are planning to spend two nights in Scottsdale, one in Sedona, one at the GC and two in Vegas. Marriott Camelback in Scottsdale and Hampton in Sedona are possibilities right now. We%26#39;ll probably spend a night in the GC. Having said all this, is this too ambitious? Should something be cut or extended? I don%26#39;t want to shortchange an area but we only have a week. (April 20-26th)I know Vegas doesn%26#39;t fit into the beauty experience but my wife hasn%26#39;t been there in 15 years and we%26#39;d like ot take in a show and walk around a bit. Any suggestions on this schedule and on what are ';must sees'; while there would be appreciated. As always, thank you for your help.



    Help With Planning


    I planned a trip like that for my wife to Seattle, Victoria and Vancouver. It was like the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles....we were always on the move. It was nice, but not relaxing. So, I can%26#39;t define what makes a good vacation for you, but ever since, I plan fewer side-trips for us!. You have plenty of time...90 min drive from Scottsdale to Sedona, another 1.5-2 hours from Sedona to the GC. The last leg...GC to Vegas, takes a surprising 5-6 hours at times, espeically with traffic. It takes 5-6 hours to drive from Vegas to the valley too (avoid Hoover Dam until the bypass is built). I go to LV 4-5 times per year, so check their forum for guides. I love it there and if it has been that long for her, she won%26#39;t recognize the place!



    Help With Planning


    I think that itinerary is very doable and makes sense. I assume you are flying into Phoenix and departing from Las Vegas.





    Unless you just want a city experience and if your flight doesn%26#39;t come in too late in the day, you might want to stay just one night in Scottsdale and two in Sedona or Grand Canyon.





    If you have trouble getting a reservation inside GC Nat%26#39;l Park, try in the town of Tusayan, just a short drive south of the Park entrance.





    Search the forums in each town for ';must see';. Plenty of prior posts.




    I agree with Janss. Just stay one night in Scottsdale (nothing against it, we just stayed 4 days and enjoyed our R%26amp;R but if for scenery don%26#39;t miss Sedona and especially GCNP.)



    So maybe:



    Day 1: Scottsdale



    Day 2: Early start for Sedona. Stay Sedona



    Day 3: Drive via Oak Creek Canyon to Flagstaff. Take us89, make the loop through Sunset Crater Volcano and Wupatki NM%26#39;s, drive to Cameron Trading post for some food and shopping. Drive into GCNP by its eastentrance and take the first view from the Watchtower in Desert View. Then drive east rim to GC Village.



    Day 4. Spend all day near the rim. Take the Hermits rest shuttle and explore GC Village.



    Dag 5: Drive to Las Vegas



    Day 6: Las Vegas



    Day 7: Home.



    This will be an unforgettable trip.



    Tet

    Day tours -Petrified or de Chelly

    I%26#39;ll probably be swinging by Flagstaff, stayed there before and took a tour to Grand Canyon and Monument Valley (loved both!) Was wondering if there are any other day tours worth the trip, mainly to Canyon de Chelly (too far?) or Petrified Forest? Also, is there any way to get to Walnut Canyon or Sunset Crater without renting a car (no licence)?



    Day tours -Petrified or de Chelly


    I guess the main part of Walnut Canyon is closed according to one of our posters here on TA. Canyon De Chelly is awesome but you%26#39;d have to get a Navajo guide to do a 1/2 or full day trip into the canyon. You can also check out antelope canyon(aka slot canyon). you need a car though and a licence. You can try www.openroadtours.com see what they have as well as www.viator.com (a 3rd party booking site) but watch out where the tours get picked up from. Without a car its going to be very difficult for you.



    Day tours -Petrified or de Chelly


    December 10 notice at nps.gov/waca: ';A series of at least two major rockfalls have damaged or destroyed large sections of the Island Trail, the most popular visitor attractions at Walnut Canyon National Monument. The heavily damaged trail has been closed indefinitely.'; That is the trail which circles the pinnacle of rock where the cliff dwellings are located.



    Petrified Forest is really not very illuminating .... rocks lying about the landscape which used to be trees .... they%26#39;re only pretty once they%26#39;re cut and polished. Canyon de Chelly is well worth your time but would be a long day trip.



    Here%26#39;s a resource: http://www.wayoftheancients.com/




    For a tour, would definately recommend Canyon De Chelly. You can hike in on your own to White House ruins, but would suggest to take the half-track day tour. And you do have to have a guide inside the canyon anywhere but the the one hike.



    Have been some break-ins to cars on the rim too.





    Would also recommend the Wupatki ruins just north of Flagstaff, really amazing stone work, and the furthest north Mayan? ballcourt in N.A.





    Very difficult to get around AZ. without a car, huge distances here, and very little public transport.




    I think you guys are missing the fact that this person has no licence and can not rent a car.




    Apparently, Phoenix Tours has a tour from Flagstaff to Painted Desert, Petrified Forest %26amp; Meteor Crater. If each sight isn%26#39;t all that, is it too much to lump them all together?